Melbourne Christian Fellowship – Why I Left It. Part 3

This special three-part testimony is posted to share my experiences within a church organization whose teaching and practice I discovered to be more in line with that of a cult than an ordinary church group as one should expect to find such.

It is not, “The writings of a deeply hurt man,” as is the accusation from people within, (a common cultist-mentality accusation) Revelation 12:10b. It is the writings of a deeply concerned man.

The testimony is posted to inform and encourage any person who believes him or herself to be in a similar situation.

To give you some background to this testimony I recommend you first read my post:  I failed to study that word “free.” 

 

Melbourne Christian Fellowship – Why I Left It. Part 3.

Continuing on from part  Part 1 & Part 2.

In May 2001, both my wife and I spoke with Gary and Helen Worth, informing them of our concerns and intent to leave the Fellowship. I got the impression from both that I was wrong in almost everything I shared.  Gary made the comment to me that there was something very Catholic about me.  I didn’t ask him to explain, I simply responded by saying that’s exactly what I thought about them as a group.  He didn’t ask me to explain either.  But this testimony gives an explanation today that I would never have been able to express back then.

Also, even after being among them for 7 years, it was not until that meeting that I found out the Fellowship stands for the (false) doctrine of Sinless Perfection.  Gary asked me if I believed in it.  As soon as he asked, I thought, “Now I know why I’m confused and why you people are where you are at!!”

I was shocked and quickly responded in the negative.  Now, as a Fellowship, they talked much over the years about the need for transparency amongst us, (“open-faced”, they called it) yet, in their handouts to all visitors, this doctrine was not openly published as part of their Statement of Faith.  Why not?  I know not.  But I know why I experienced spiritual abuse!  Sinless Perfection is a false doctrine.  It enslaves all who drink its poison.

Someone may ask, “How come you got caught up in this abuse?”  Good question.  The short answer, it happened by way of gradualism.  The leaders did not at any of their meetings ever come out and say, “We stand for Sinless Perfection; we aim to be totally, perfectly sinless before the Lord returns.”  Yet, that is their belief, as I found out that night.  If I had known this at my first attendance among them I would have grabbed my wife and family and immediately walked out.  Satan’s intention is to steal, kill and destroy each one of us, spiritually, mentally, physically and he uses good people to do this, not only the bad.  He’s too smart for that.  But he too works by way of gradualism. 

Analogy:  Satan never puts a drop of coke in the glass of arsenic for us to drink; he puts a drop of arsenic in the glass of coke!  That’s gradualism, “here a little, there a little, line upon line,” – “a little leaven leavens the whole lump” Galatians 5:9.  As a result, I was not readily able to identify the real problem.  It took years before I seriously sought the Lord on this indoctrination I was experiencing, and I was pathetically slow to respond to His voice anyway!

For 18 months or more the Lord gave me in prayer, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.  And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…….if the Son of Man makes you free, you shall be free (unrestrained, to go at pleasure, not a slave, exempt from obligation or liability) indeed (really, certainly, clean, of a truth, verily) John 8:31-32, 36.  I simply failed to act, by failing to look up the true meaning of what these words meant, thinking, “ that’s just my own thoughts”

Deception is not always readily discernible when it comes to rightly dividing the word of God.  There was much truth taught in the Fellowship, but the full picture (balance) was not given (it can’t be given if one stands for that false, ‘Latter Rain’ doctrine); then you end up indoctrinated with half-truth. The problem then, however, is most people think they have the whole truth.

Somebody once said in regards to the counterfeit, “A mushroom and a toadstool look exactly the same, except, one is sweet and one is deadly.”  Well, I ate plenty of “mushrooms” (precious truths), but I ate too many “toadstools” (error) during my time with them.  And that’s how deception works, one knows all is not right, but it’s difficult to put your finger on exactly what’s wrong – especially when the other party is not transparent (“open-faced,” as they taught) about what it is they really stand for in the first place.

  • The Fellowship had/has a strong “group” mentality.  Example: “Nearly all Scripture is written to and for groups of people, not individuals.  We must learn to read our Bibles this way.  Instead of saying “what’s God saying to me?” we need to ask, “what’s God saying to us?”  In relation to this, it has been said that, “those misleading words sound believable because the message is cloaked in half-truths.  We do need each other, but each of us can best encourage others when we know Jesus as our life and His word as our guide.  Then, if we must stand alone for His name’s sake, His presence will be enough.  Many tortured and persecuted martyrs can testify to the sufficiency of Christ when all other help is gone.”

 

  • The Fellowship strongly taught that the church is never a church outside of a gathered community.  Not true.  The true church is not necessarily visible, nor is it an organization.  The true church is a spiritual organism.  The Lord Jesus has gathered to Himself believers “out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation….” Revelation 5:9.  Most of us will never meet in this life, yet we are brothers and sisters in Christ and members of the body of Christ for all eternity.

 

  • The Fellowship strongly taught that there are no lone-ranger Christians.  Not true.  Lone-ranger Christians are scattered around the world.  Many left because they couldn’t commit to compromising (or scriptural/spiritual abusive) leaders.  God will surely use solitary times to draw His people closer to Himself.  He trained Paul during the solitary years that followed his conversion.  He trained Joseph, Moses, David, Jeremiah (and John the Baptist?) through years of aloneness to put their trust in Him.

The same goes for countless missionaries as they sought the lost, shared God’s love and endured hostility and persecution along the way.  The 3 dot-points above were written with the help of an unknown writer.  In each case however, I have found such to be my experience.

Personally, I have no problems in submitting to leaders, insofar as they lead me to the Lord Jesus Christ.  But, if in my “submission” they lead me away from the Lord Jesus, I am not in “submission” to them.  How many of us know, Biblical submission; “Obey those who rule over you” Hebrews 13:17, means “to be fully persuaded”?  That removes all mindless obedience – cancels out all lording over, manipulation, intimidation and domination and leaves intact your conscience, integrity, and individuality before God.  That’s not spiritual abuse, that’s spiritual freedom!

 Quotes:  “Over-emphasis is over-balance.  Over-balance is imbalance, and imbalance is error.”  Unknown.

“Truth mixed with error is equivalent to all error, except that it is more innocent looking and, therefore, more dangerous.  God hates such a mixture!  Any error, or any truth-and-error mixture, calls for definite exposure and repudiation.  To condone such is to be unfaithful to God and His word and treacherous to imperiled souls for whom Christ died.”  – Dr. Harry Ironside (1876-1951)

“The grandest deceptions of all are those things that are mostly true.” – Unknown.

When I finally did leave the Fellowship I suffered much psychological and spiritual trauma.  However the Lord Jesus’ constant antidote to me was, “Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us (you) free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.” Or, “It is for freedom that Christ has set us (you) free.  Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves (yourself) be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”  Galatians 5:1.

I learned how to “fight the good fight” and let go of all bitterness etc.  God’s ministry is very gracious.  I am grieved, however, to observe those people as slaves to doctrinal over-emphasis and false teaching.  As Christians, every one of us must know who we (you) are in Christ, and equally, we must know Who Christ is in us (you).

This 3-part testimony is written, firstly, out of love and obedience to God and His word, “……I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” Jude 1:3.  Right at this point the reader might be thinking, “All these Scriptures you’ve quoted; couldn’t the Fellowship quote these straight back to you?”  Yes, they could and probably will.  One of us is right and one of us is wrong.  I leave that in God’s hands in Jesus’ name.

Secondly, it is written out of love and deep concerns for all in the Fellowship. “And now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified” Acts 20:32. 

Finally, it seems that friendships are strong in the Fellowship, but when one leaves, the friendships become very shallow.  This really only struck me personally when I again went into the Fellowship to attend a 21st birthday party in 2006, and a funeral service in 2007.  I am left wondering, how much friendship was there in the first place?  They’ve all had other friends leave the Fellowship and I ask the same question to them about those folk.

Right here, someone from the Fellowship says, “That’s just not true!”  My response has to be, “How would you know?  The only way you could ever know is to leave the Fellowship.”  If friendship gets expressed in the group but then it ceases when one leaves the group, well then I say that’s not friendship.  It doesn’t line up with what God’s word says about love either.

Sadly, as Christians, it’s my strong belief that our love and friendships for one another are going to be severely tested in the days ahead.  It is also my belief that our special doctrines, denominations and groups will mean nothing when we face that day.  Our brothers and sisters in other lands are finding that out presently, which makes me think our day can’t be too far away.

Test for us all.  Question:  How does one know if one is deceived or not?  Answer:  A deceived person will never ask that question.  He already knows he’s right.  Question:  Did the reader pass the test?  I am prepared to be wrong about anything I have written in this 3-part testimony.  © Roger Williams.  June 27, 2008.

“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” 2 Timothy 2:15.

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Published by Roger Williams

Himself, music and alcohol were his gods for the first part of his existence. Then 38 years ago he had a dramatic encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ. That experience changed his life and led him into Community ministry for 3½ years. He's been a radio broadcasting presenter of the Gospel for 30 years. Streaming on the Internet www.radiorevelations.com Roger can be heard every Sunday morning at 8:00 AM Australia EST. Simply click on 'Links' at the bottom of page: 'World Clock -Time Zone Converter' and 'Radio Revelations - Good News on the Radio.'

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24 Comments

  1. This could just as well have been my own testimony. And it is so true about what you quote from Ephesians. The people are nice and probably do have the best intentions, it is definitely the work of the evil one. So much heartbreak yet joy since receiving freedom. Thank you for writing what I have had difficulty expressing

    1. Hi Claire

      So much heartbreak yet joy since receiving freedom.

      That’s the whole purpose of the testimony … that God’s people would come into the joy & freedom you now have. I’m glad for you.

      God bless your walk in Jesus, Claire and thanks for commenting. I know it will minister to others.

      Roger

  2. I experienced this too. Having grown up in the church, I got to the point where I realised I’d never had faith of my own, and I’d just been playing along. A lot of the goings on in the church made me very uncomfortable (the ministry issues you mentioned, as well as rampant and undisguised sexism). When I stopped lying to myself and left, all the people who had proclaimed they loved and cared for me disappeared from my lives. my family still go, and it pains me to know they are miserable and would be better off leaving. Thank you for writing this.

    1. Hello Vi … thank you for your testimony. My prayer is that others within will read it and seek the Lord for themselves too.

      …..I got to the point where I realised I’d never had faith of my own,….

      What a grand blessing for you to come to that point. I thank God for your Holy Spirit sensitivity and the faith to act on it.

      ….the people who had proclaimed they loved and cared for me disappeared from my life.

      Yes, that is to be expected … personally, I think some do love and care for you, Vi, but fear of what others think is the powerful motivating force stopping them from showing it. Love for truth is the only way to break through that, which is what you did. You may not see it but God won’t waste your witness.

      Thanks again, Vi and the Lord’s continuous blessing to you.

      Praying for us all.

      Roger

  3. I do not want to sound rude but it is difficult to explain my thoughts without coming out that way. I believe that god dwells in these people. He does amazing things through them. I believe that this freedom that you talk about isn’t right. We should be bond slaves to god. This means being a love slave. Not doing every chore and will. But doing gods will lovingly and with an obedience. I feel that your personal feelings have gotten in the way of this and you have been mislead by your feelings and to a further degree. Satan himself. MCF’s message is so true and righteous, they care with love and are listening to god for his message. Your comments about Geoff Anson were very hurtful. Geoff was a great man and he would never make himself out to be like Jesus Christ. Geoff was all for god and his will for people’s lives. Rest his soul.

    To Roger

  4. Hello Roger – it’s amazing to read your story. I got a bit confused because you spoke of the Melbourne Christian Fellowship. And then I realised MCF was linked to the Vic Hall cult. However, do you know there is another Melbourne Christian Fellowship whose local leader was a Norwegian Menno Van Der Staal (now deceased)? Other local leaders include people like Andrew Ward. My point is this: The Melbourne Christian Fellowship I am speaking of is part of a much larger international ‘cult’ called the Brunstad Christian Fellowship based out of Norway which is extremely rich, extremely secretive and works almost EXACTLY like the outfit you were with. www.brunstad. org I was involved with this ‘cult’ for 15 years and more and it stunned me when I read your account. I keep praying that God will expose this ‘cult’ and set free the 50,000 odd people in many countries who are stuck in it and that they can discover the love of Jesus Christ directly and not through the twisted doctrines and control systems of these cults. The Norwegian-Brunstad-based ‘cult’ also has a central heresy – that Jesus was a man just like us in bondage to sin, with sin inside of Him, which he had to purify so that He could become sinless and be resurrected. So they’re all busy purifying themselves to come to sinless perfection. And they treat people exactly how you have described it. I sure hope someone will some day expose Brunstad too for the poison that goes out from there in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord. God bless you and keep helping the broken-hearted and the captives. Shalom.

    1. Hello AV

      Thank you for reading this testimony and for sharing your experience.

      Until truth means everything to a child of God there’s not a lot the Holy Spirit can do to liberate him or her, sadly. That’s why compromising churches are dying in the Western world and the cults are thriving.

      Nevertheless praise God, AV that we are able to intercede on behalf of all who confess Jesus Christ as Lord. Matthew 5:6 still stands.

      God’s very best to you

      Roger

      1. I came across this article, and in particular the above comment, while searching for another website.
        I do not recognise the name “AV Varghesea” but I do know the people mentioned in his/her comment.
        Menno van der Staal was my father. (He was not Norwegian, and neither was he “the” leader although he was one of those with responsibility.) I can testify that, as his daughter and therefore growing up in close connection with him and knowing him intimately for nearly fifty years, I can confidently say that he was a man who lived according to God’s Word. He was a leader by example, with a life of content which gave him true authority to speak. As his children, we never experienced him as a restrictive parent, but a father who had our best at heart and guided us through childhood to discern between good and evil, make wise choices and become independent adults, not living before the face of man but having our own personal connection with God. As an adult, I often turned to him for both practical and spiritual advice because I knew that he had wisdom and experience, compassion and a love of the truth. He was truly a man of whom it can be said, “Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith.” Heb 13:7, 8
        This is my testimony as his daughter.

  5. Thanks for your thoughtful reflections, it must have been hard to divide the relationship affection from the deception, my brothers family are caught in the Brisbane branch and one son has felt the pain that comes to those who leave. Its hard to offer an opinion to them when they won’t accept any question of their views, the mix of truth and lie is the tangle that decieves, may your freedom be multiplied, may the prize hard caught for be sweet, may the grace of Jesus continue to amaze you

    1. Hi Bruce

      Thank you for your comment.

      It’s hard to offer an opinion to them when they won’t accept any question of their views……

      It is, isn’t it? Spiritual maturity is the goal, but because of the mix of truth and lie, the reality is fear, spiritual immaturity and insecurity. If it were different you would be listened to.

      The really sad thing though, the fear they have of their leaders is the fear they have for God. They think He’s like them! This breaks God’s heart, I’m sure.

      Bless you, Bruce

      Roger

  6. Hi Rodger,
    I attended the Sunbury MCF church between 2010-2014 and it wasn’t until I controversially travelled overseas by myself that the scales fell from my eyes and I realised that my love of The Lord had been so unequivocally wrung from my heart.
    As a single woman in her twenties I was mainly directed to “carry the load” and ultimately wait until the right man directed his attention my way…
    Needless to say, I am very glad that I left. My family (who I was told to stop communicating with to really “come into the fold”- despite them also being vibrant, practicing Christians) were also greatful that I left as they saw it as a cult in the first event I invited them to.

    The love of The Lord is not limited to a small community but to all. It is endless, unconditional, and so different than the way I thought it was while attending MCF.

    Thank you for your writing.

    1. Hello, Kimberly

      Thank you for sharing a little of your testimony here. I have no doubt God will use it to help someone who finds her/himself in a similar spiritual condition.

      I realised that my love of The Lord had been so unequivocally wrung from my heart.

      If one’s love for the Lord gets tampered with, so does one’s joy. It explains the joylessness so evident among many of these dear people. Satan knows if he can get to tamper with those two, it’ll be no time at all before he wrings peace from the heart too.

      But praise God for the Holy Spirit, Kimberly; He didn’t allow that to happen to you for long because you listened and responded to Him and not the spirits of religion and control.

      So subtle are those two spirits in that place, unless one is a genuine truth-seeker, one will believe without question that it’s the Holy Spirit speaking and singing through them.

      The love of The Lord is not limited to a small community….

      True. The church is the body of Christ – an organism. Therefore it’s not a human organization, regardless of who says otherwise.

      Oh that God’s people would seek Him for themselves rather than limiting it to human leaders – especially those claiming they’re “the human face of Jesus Christ to you.”

      Thanks again, Kimberly and God’s best blessings to you always.

      Roger

  7. Hi Roger

    Thanks for your 3 part series I have read many times over the last 3 years.

    We left MCF (Wonga Park) in Nov 2016 after a horrible 2016 trying to get MCF to admit what they did to us and get someone, anyone at MCF to agree! (Almost entirely fruitless of course).

    I wrote this 7 part series last year (interspersed with comments from others) about my experiences (Paul Kovacs is my ghost name):
    www.streetcar.org.au/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43

    Your experience was exactly the same as mine except I lost a full 33 years of my life there and they banned me from EVERY plan and dream and desire to help I had ever had. They made me feel condemned about every thought I ever had. I became unemployable as they banned every attempt to steward my career and businesses. And, as you said, they never once asked what I thought about anything.

    You are so right about MCF/BCF. It is so subtlety evil. The people are wonderful ‘EXCEPT’ they allow themselves to become dehumanized and violators of all love and common decency.

    So they (the leaders and most of the congregation) become extreme judgers of everyone and can ignore everyone’s (and their own) interests, life, talents and ministries for LIFETIMES. You end up humouring everyone for a lifetime. I was 49 and realised I was going to spend my entire life HOPING to be helpful and productive (in church and life) one distant day in the future that would never, ever eventuate!

    In the end I lost it with them and allowed them to see my full fury as a human being destroyed. To stop myself smashing the elder’s meeting room windows I lashed out and smashed the old bunk house windows! I apologised of course. But they were in no doubt of my fury. I allowed them to see my fury because every one else left so quietly and never told any of us why. Not with me. Everyone strong in faith received emails from me and knew EXACTLY what they had done to us for 35 years.

    I am almost calm about it now 18 months later.

    We are loving life at LMC, Life Ministry Centre (Chirnside Park) now and my wife and I and our 4 kids are coming alive again. Dad and Mum left 6 months after us in another miracle. We are in touch with Jeff Hammond who left MCF in 1995 and has recently set up a summer Bible School in Shepparton to reach out to leaders, church workers and Islamic people.

    1. Hello Paul

      Thank you for your testimony.

      Pray that others in there will read it and for the Holy Spirit to minister the truth to them. I’ll be praying with you.

      And we know that all good things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose Romans 8:28.

      One good thing: You now know none of those people are, “The human face of Jesus Christ to you.” Only the deceived claim that.

      Another good thing: You now know Who the true Lord Jesus Christ is and that He is very different from them.

      Another good thing: Your experience will draw you closer to the Lord Jesus and the Scriptures only, not men’s doctrines. For that you will be forever grateful.

      Another good thing: You were never out of Jesus’ sight or clutch.

      Another good thing: Your material loss is your spiritual gain; you’ll thank God enormously for that down the track.

      Another good thing: You now know the grand difference between the religious spirit of control and the Holy Spirit of liberty.

      Another good thing: You now know how Satan works through good people as well as bad people.

      Another good thing: Ephesians 6:12 is a reality and fight to the end, but you win!

      One more good thing: If you praise and thank God for your experiences in there and pray for those who harmed you, your Christian witness will not be in question to those who are truly seeking Christ.

      God’s extreme best to you, Paul and to your wife and children.

      Roger

  8. There is an extremely similar cult church in Tullamarine, Melbourne. Almost every detail you described I experienced at this church called NTM or Inner Life as it is now known. The leader Neil Thomas, cursed christians with cancer if they left his church. He died of mouth cancer. Everything is hidden in the church, sexual abuse by leaders, forced marriages, control, finances, spiritual abuse, everything swept under the rug, and smiling on Sunday mornings. It is the most manipulative environment.
    I am so relieved when people make it out of these. They hurt so many. They damage relationships with family and with God.

    1. Hello Karli

      Thank you for commenting.

      I don’t know anything about this group, but it is a foolish leader who believes he or she can curse fellow Christians and escape repercussions. It must come back on the head of the one who does it; sometimes we see the evidence of that but most times we don’t.

      A mouth full of cursing – a mouth full of cancer! Seems the latter is the evidence.

      ……everything swept under the rug, and smiling on Sunday mornings……

      That’s the sad but increasing reality for many such groups across the globe these days; angels on Sunday, devils on Monday!

      May the Lord continue to bless you, Karli and use you to enlighten others in there whom He sends your way. Thanks again

      Roger

  9. Hope your still playing those drums…

    I must say music was brilliant, but several men’s camps and the dribble preached made me realise it wasn’t a good place to be… What the main preacher was saying was way over the top and laughable (talking men can masterbate, but women couldn’t)… Also think it was same men’s retreat where we had a hour talking about how they managed to buy toilets at discount price, how he was happy to get one over on supplier…

    I am now in UK and enjoy the traditional teachings, think if you can’t invite a friend to church and not freak out it’s bad… I do remeber stranger walking in off street to one of our fellowships, when speaking in tongues was on demonstration,… I have nothing about people speaking in tounges, but find it unwelcoming in a open environment in which we are welcoming strangers..

    I felt mcf have some very devoted followers, but fear they unfortunately have been led a little stray and radical.

    Always felt that mcf felt other Christians not worthy, however I have met some very devoted Christians in other denominations..

    If you go to a church and can’t disagree and chat with vicar (most likely vicar is correct) , then your at wrong church..

    1. Hi Brad

      Thanks for commenting.

      I agree with you about the music; well written, played and sung – but also a most effective way of attracting people and holding them. If the music achieves that goal people will put up with “the dribble” because even the worst of it contains some truth. Primarily though, fellowship and friendship is what’s sought for in a church, not truth.

      I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying the traditional teachings; God is not into cleverness!

      I felt mcf have some very devoted followers, but fear they unfortunately have been led a little stray and radical.

      True, and only devotion directed to the biblical Lord Jesus alone can change that.

      Always felt that mcf felt other Christians not worthy……

      When people are deceived into believing their main man is Jesus’ main man it can never be any different. That’s a definite sign something is very wrong in a fellowship.

      I’m of the opinion that when a vicar/leader won’t give his ear to a theological disagreement, his cage has been rattled; he’s not totally certain he believes it either.

      God bless you, Brad and thanks again.

  10. Hello Roger,

    Pleased to meet you. The name’s Hansel. Hansel Chan. A half-Australian half-Chinese man, 35 years of age at the time of this post.

    I found this website SO late into my post-Christian Fellowship experience (4 years since I left it in 2015) but I’m glad to have read your posts.

    I come from Ipoh, a small city in Malaysia. Malaysia… that peninsula north of Singapore. Surprising that Vic’s network has spread its influence even to here? Believe me, it has, and in two cities – Ipoh and the capital, Kuala Lumpur, as well as even Singapore, Vic’s poisonous doctrines and evil pyramid-style ruling have been firmly entrenched.

    I grew up as a pastor’s son. Loved and appreciated by most, if not all, of my church members. While I drifted from God in my college years, I returned full force to loving and serving Him in my early 20s. Throughout all of this time, Vic had been a yearly visitor to my hometown and had been busy building up his influence in my church. I viewed him as a kind and pleasant man, as ‘dear old Uncle Vic’.

    Only after 2005, did I begin to notice some things about him that began to put little tears and dents in the facade of ‘dear old Uncle Vic’. He called me a ‘Libertine’ and chided me quite sharply for not ‘committing myself fully to the Body of Christ’. However, I just dismissed that as him being a little too heavily in favour of discipline and all.

    Things changed further after 2010. Vic and his right-hand men repeatedly insisted I had a ‘calling’, and asked me to enter the ministry. This I did gladly, but little did I know they intended to use me as their puppet. This all came to a head in 2015 when they tried to make me a full puppet, just an extension of their foul will, and I refused.

    I was promptly branded as ‘feminised’, ‘hostile’, ‘rebellious’ and all other kinds of terrible terms. Stripped of all my ministries. Left to whatever mercy the world or the outside churches might have for me, and left to the mercy of Vic’s slander – of which of course there would never be any mercy in the least.

    So yes, I do agree. There is too much idolisation going on in there, and the ‘leader-do-no-wrong’ mentality which is literally ruining the whole church, or well, former church turned cult.

    1. Hello, Hansel

      Thank you for your testimony.

      “He called me a ‘Libertine’ and chided me quite sharply for not ‘committing myself fully to the Body of Christ.”

      The “Body of Christ” had nothing to do with it. What he really meant was you were not fully committed to him.

      “Libertine” and “feminized” is not the language of the Holy Spirit. It is the put-down language of a religious, manipulating, dominating, serpentine spirit. When all else fails, that’s all it is reduced to.

      Don’t worry about the slander; wear it as a badge of honor and let the Lord deal with it in His time.

      When truth becomes a Christian’s primary desire, the ‘leader-do-no-wrong’ mentality gets thrown out. Pray that such a desire comes to others there and praise the Lord for granting it to you.

      Thanks again, Hansel. Continue to stay close to the Lord and His Scriptures and bow to no man but the Man Jesus.

      God bless you.

  11. Hi Roger and everyone.

    Paul Kovaks again. Just thought I’d let you know about my new blog which is an ‘Open Letter to MCF’ to clearly and calmly explain:

    1. What abuse they have done to some of us
    2. Abuses they did to ALL of us
    3. Where their theology is wrong
    4. What was good about MCF, culturally and scripturally

    mcfexposed.wordpress.com/

    I hope it helps any of you out there including MCFers. We miss you and are concerned for you. Out here in the rest of Christendom we all talk to and minister with and to each other and the world! And may of us still love and believe in the original restorationist word of MCF. At its best it was a fantastic example of ‘priesthood of all believers’. But since 1992 and Vic Hall there’s been almost none of that at MCF. In the pre-1992 days we actually ministered in a free, unconstrained manner that was not bound by any books other than the Bible.

    Note: Kovaks is a pseudonym designed to protect my career and family

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